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@cole_tucker: I need to stop letting my mind go all handwavy when discussions about abstract numerals like dyad, hexad etc come up.

@EPButler: It can be hard. The key is recognizing there are original, grounding determinations for numbers. Not all twos are equivalent. I struggled for a long time trying to understand why the intellective order had a heptadic structure. I mean, triads are pretty easy to grasp in their fundamentality, but a number like seven starts to seem as though it must belong to a specific ontology, and not to the system in its elemental sense. And of course modern commentators just treat it all as arbitrary.

But then I realized from reading Proclus closely, that the heptad was the triad with all the relations grounded. So: a triad, with each member doubled because it is discrete, and then a seventh monad for the reciprocal relation of all. This is indeed a speculative expression of the nature of intellective multiplicity as such.

This confirms, by the way, that the intelligible triad is not yet unpacked; it is still really three moments of a unit. There is no "real" triad until the heptad.
(The enneadic development of the triad in the three noetic triads is, of course, only really complete "after" the noeric.)

Date: 2014-08-07 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alfrecht.livejournal.com
...which may be why the 7-letter form of the Ephesia Grammata is proving to be so interesting to me...

I found that if I add a seventh member to the six I had represented in my presentation at the PLC (the two triads of Hadrian, Sabina, and Antinous, and then the three Trophimoi--Polydeukion, Memnon, Achilles), which could be Lucius Marius Vitalis, then in seven members, it actually represents a triad of triads, because with him, then it further forms the Treiskouroi triad (Lucius Vitalis, Antinous, and Polydeukion).

But, that's getting into very "localized" theology, so...! ;)

Date: 2014-08-08 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemon-cupcake.livejournal.com
It does function very much like the intellective heptad, inasmuch as Lucius Marius Vitalis is mediating the two triads by expressing a relationship with one member of each. In this fashion he performs the role of the "diacritical monad" in the intellective order.

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